Next Season and Salary Caps

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At the moment football needs as much money coming into the game as it.can get, if owners want.to do that then.let them do it I say.

Pj did it for us many years ago and the money he put in that time was substantial and helped us have the success we had. I would rather owners out in money then take it out.
 

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It will make little difference to movements between the Championship and League One, where the financial gulf is already massive, and it can and will work (there is promotion and relegation in Rugby Union FWIW).
Ok I don't want to carry on for the sake of it... but how can you say that it will make no difference between Championship and L1? That is simply wrong and is to me the fundamental issue. How can 4 teams with up to £18m budgets be relegated and then play (under whatever transition grace regulations are in place) against 20 other teams that are capped at £2.5m? It simply isn't tenable - what you haven't addressed (and to be fair the EFL haven't either as far a I can see) is that those 4 teams will finish 1-4 the season after without doubt - they simply have to. So how will clubs like Tranmere ever possibly get a shot at the Championship? The answer simply is they won't. I agree however it works between L1 and L2 - maybe MP simply is reflecting that is where we will be forever.

ps yes I said there was promotion in RFU but it is limited to 1 up and 1 down and the quality in the second division (is nothing like the Championship) and means that only the relegated team or possibly one other can ever come top... plus the clubs are trying desperately to scrap promotion altogether and probably will once Saracens are promoted back at the end of next season which 100% they will be...
 

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ps yes I said there was promotion in RFU but it is limited to 1 up and 1 down and the quality in the second division (is nothing like the Championship) and means that only the relegated team or possibly one other can ever come top... plus the clubs are trying desperately to scrap promotion altogether and probably will once Saracens are promoted back at the end of next season which 100% they will be...
The mechanisms of the Premiership's salary cap make an interesting read.

https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.n...remiershipRugbySalaryCapRegulations201617.pdf
 
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Ok I don't want to carry on for the sake of it... but how can you say that it will make no difference between Championship and L1? That is simply wrong and is to me the fundamental issue. How can 4 teams with up to £18m budgets be relegated and then play (under whatever transition grace regulations are in place) against 20 other teams that are capped at £2.5m? It simply isn't tenable - what you haven't addressed (and to be fair the EFL haven't either as far a I can see) is that those 4 teams will finish 1-4 the season after without doubt - they simply have to. So how will clubs like Tranmere ever possibly get a shot at the Championship? The answer simply is they won't. I agree however it works between L1 and L2 - maybe MP simply is reflecting that is where we will be forever.

ps yes I said there was promotion in RFU but it is limited to 1 up and 1 down and the quality in the second division (is nothing like the Championship) and means that only the relegated team or possibly one other can ever come top... plus the clubs are trying desperately to scrap promotion altogether and probably will once Saracens are promoted back at the end of next season which 100% they will be...
Until you know the terms of any grace period - and the details have not been provided yet - you can't assert that it won't work. It is not even guaranteed at present that high budget Championship clubs are automatically promoted in their first season (think of Ipswich and Sunderland) and that is even without the requirement to reduce spending very quickly on relegation.

In reality, I think clubs in the bottom half of the Championship will reduce the length of their contracts and take fewer financial risks. Even if there was a grace period of, say, twelve months, they would still need to offload any player above the threshold on a deal longer than twelve months, or face a points deduction. So the wage budgets of the relegated Championship clubs won't necessarily be at the levels they are at present.
 
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The 'grace period' would not necessarily permit clubs to spend 100% of their previous budget on relegation. It could be 50% in the first year, followed by a reduction to the capped budget in the second. The finer details of this and the other proposals are still to be discussed and voted on, as far as I am aware.
 
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I have said all along that the gulf between the Championship and League One won't be addressed until there is wage restraint in the Championship. But that does not mean that clubs in the bottom two divisions visions should do nothing in the meantime, and carry on spending as previously. It is unsustainable in the current climate.
 

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It is only unsustainable if clubs run deliberately at a loss.....all that do are making a conscious decision to do so backed by wealthy chairman. There is nothing to stop every club cutting costs until they operate at breakeven. If enough clubs do that then player's salaries go down anyhow... yes we need to see the detail but frankly from what I have seen with the EFL's behaviour over our relegation I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them and it is noticeable they are far more focussed on the Championship after making every effort to allow them to continue to protect the precious Premier League slots.

I hope I am proved wrong but I will continue to believe this will not end well.
 
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It is only unsustainable if clubs run deliberately at a loss.....all that do are making a conscious decision to do so backed by wealthy chairman. There is nothing to stop every club cutting costs until they operate at breakeven. If enough clubs do that then player's salaries go down anyhow... yes we need to see the detail but frankly from what I have seen with the EFL's behaviour over our relegation I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them and it is noticeable they are far more focussed on the Championship after making every effort to allow them to continue to protect the precious Premier League slots.

I hope I am proved wrong but I will continue to believe this will not end well.
I trust Palios's judgement and it is largely his idea.

The measures are necessary to protect clubs from reckless owners. Of course all club owners could choose to break even, but most don't, either because they feel pressure to compete with more reckless clubs in an overhyped market, or because they are irresponsible and clueless (cf. Bury). If the wage cap had been in place, the Bury scenario could never have happened. The owners would have been prevented from overspending and the club would still be here.

Those people who oppose any wage controls are voting, in the current financial climate, for a load of future Burys and Macclesfields.
 
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Mansfield have recruited 4 players already, 3 of them from higher leagues than L2. While they have a wealthy owner and can afford it, if their early recruiting has got them over a cap figure subsequently applied for the coming season, then that is going to create problems. I don’t think you can tell them to ditch players due to the cap, but it would be unfair on those sides (like Rovers) who’ve chosen to hold back on recruiting if they were constrained by a salary cap, unlike Mansfield. How do you resolve that fairly?
 

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Good point Boz. In reality, the EFL have had three months to think about this possibility and have done nothing. Incapable of thinking beyond the promotion/relegation issue. With the glorious benefit of hindsight a freeze should have been put on signing new players until, say, the end of July. Then, is a cap was implemented you would have more of a level playing field. As for the wealthy owner, see how he goes in the post Covid recession exacerbated by Brexit!
 

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Mansfield have recruited 4 players already, 3 of them from higher leagues than L2. While they have a wealthy owner and can afford it, if their early recruiting has got them over a cap figure subsequently applied for the coming season, then that is going to create problems. I don’t think you can tell them to ditch players due to the cap, but it would be unfair on those sides (like Rovers) who’ve chosen to hold back on recruiting if they were constrained by a salary cap, unlike Mansfield. How do you resolve that fairly?
As any club can recruit players and there is currently no salary cap in place then nothing can really be done by it, it's upto each club.to make signings as and when.
 

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As any club can recruit players and there is currently no salary cap in place then nothing can really be done by it, it's upto each club.to make signings as and when.
Don’t disagree. My point was it wouldn’t be a level playing field if a salary cap was imposed now.
 
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I think it is supposed to be implemented in 2020-21, but with transitional arrangements.
 
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