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Ian said:
I think the point is if we stick, we are effectively down. If we twist, we might stand a chance. What have we got to lose?
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Right now, quite possibly a significant chunk of severance pay plus the ability to appoint a suitable replacement.

Either or both of which might not be the case within a matter of weeks.
 
O4anotherplayoff said:
Right now, quite possibly a significant chunk of severance pay plus the ability to appoint a suitable replacement.

Either or both of which might not be the case within a matter of weeks.
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Well MP told a fan its not down to money so that's not the issue, I think it's highly unlikely any replacement could do a worse job than Adkins.
In a matter of weeks it may well be too late as we could be cut adrift
 
Ian said:
I understand the logic but let’s be honest, they couldn’t get much worse.

I think the point is if we stick, we are effectively down. If we twist, we might stand a chance. What have we got to lose? Time is now against us.
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Much as Nigel's decisions exasperate me, there certainly is no guaranteed outcome under him. This is clearly overstating the case. I have real fears but I cannot say many of my apprehensions on matchday have been borne out by events.
I honestly think it will depend on how many in our decent group of players manages to turn out in the coming weeks will decide it, not who is shouting rubbish on the sidelines which players tend to just ignore anyway.
Walker and Khan seem lost , Drysdale looks a doubt now but hopefully Davies will be back that is critical in itself. Norris is back and Morris/Hendry hopefully soon.
Our last three goals have been down to weak defending and McGee losing his post. LOC showing a right footer the inside who then shot home when McGee had completely lost his near post throwing a foot at it. Drysdale then contrived to cushion a header miles short. None of that derived from pre-match worries I or anyone else expressed.
It could get worse, Man City fans took that view when Peter Reid was sacked then two relegations later!
 
dollar'sbloke said:
You are seriously cherry picking
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Surely not?! ;)

bigmart said:
Well MP told a fan its not down to money so that's not the issue,
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Ah those jungle drums again. Still, that should put to bed the wacko ‘theories’ that NA is only hanging on for a pay off, etc etc etc.

But that’s not the point. Paying out a chunk of severance pay would be a distinct possibility if terminating the manager now, and I very much doubt Palios has told anyone otherwise.

bigmart said:
I think it's highly unlikely any replacement could do a worse job than Adkins.
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The idea would be that a replacement does a BETTER job than Adkins, not merely no worse. HUGE difference.

That’s why I said SUITABLE replacement. Be it permanent or caretaker.

That’s why jokers like Nixon throwing their hat into the ring can safely be ignored.

Btw, most if not all our relegations in living memory have been under caretakers, who did no better than they guys they replaced.

bigmart said:
In a matter of weeks it may well be too late as we could be cut adrift
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Or it may well not be.

The club’s long term future is more important than some knee jerk short term reaction just because a few arses have gone.
 
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Rockford's Love Child said:
Just in recent memory, results improved mid-season when Mellon, Hill and Adkins were appointed.

In the first two instances we made the play-offs, when that had initially seemed unlikely, in the other we avoided relegation.

On every occasion Palios has changed the manager mid-season results have improved, with the exception of the appointment of Dawes.
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We are dancing on the head of a pin now. We specifically need a manager who will improve in exactly 15 matches. Critically with no resources whatsoever. The three you name all had bad patches of complete underperformance what happens if such an event happens now. Ronnie is one I know who seems at this level to come in and extract a response by a return to basics, he did at Hartlepool but was sacked a year later as the club returned to type. Not sure he is still in the game anymore? This does need experience that is for sure.
When we look at specifics it is not as clear cut as most assume. Nigel knows who to avoid playing now, who he would rather not have but thinks he can make some use of as there are no alternatives. Meanwhile we have people claiming Ryan Lowe and Barton would be ideal replacements that is as unlikely as it is not ideal.
 
dollar'sbloke said:
We are dancing on the head of a pin now. We specifically need a manager who will improve in exactly 15 matches. Critically with no resources whatsoever. The three you name all had bad patches of complete underperformance what happens if such an event happens now. Ronnie is one I know who seems at this level to come in and extract a response by a return to basics, he did at Hartlepool but was sacked a year later as the club returned to type. Not sure he is still in the game anymore? This does need experience that is for sure.
When we look at specifics it is not as clear cut as most assume. Nigel knows who to avoid playing now, who he would rather not have but thinks he can make some use of as there are no alternatives. Meanwhile we have people claiming Ryan Lowe and Barton would be ideal replacements that is as unlikely as it is not ideal.
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Your argument is nonsensical.

You are suggesting a club should never change manager in response to poor performance.

A change of manager is not a guarantee of survival, but an upturn in performance is likely, as has been demonstrated above. On 75% of the occasions Palios has changed manager mid-season performance has improved.

We don't need to appoint Slot or Guardiola on a five year contract. We need somebody to improve form in the very short term. Even a dead-cat-bounce and two or three victories could be sufficient to keep us up.

The current inaction is unforgiveable.
 
dollar'sbloke said:
We are dancing on the head of a pin now. We specifically need a manager who will improve in exactly 15 matches. Critically with no resources whatsoever.
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Possibly far fewer than 15 matches given the likely-imminent regime change.

So, for now, let’s bring in proven caretakers like Sheedy, McMahon or Rogers. Or go for one of the current internal candidates, Danns, Parky or Morgan? Maybe redemption time for Dawes (whose apparent disappearance from football altogether since leaving us is slightly concerning), or even Keef! Heck, even Nicko or Ryan Taylor!

Yes, lots of caretakers out there who might do no worse than NA.

Much harder to find one who you’d be confident would produce immediate improvement, AND would be willing to take it on for just a few weeks, AND who’d be worth the cost of a severance, without at least affording him the blessing of the next owners.

But they don’t want to consider the practicalities arising from our somewhat unusual situation.
 
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Rockford's Love Child said:
I don't know whether anybody else picked up on it, but at the end of the Fleetwood game a supporter had a frank but (apparently) civil conversation with Palios.

The said supporter reported that Palios had insisted the decision to keep Adkins was nothing to do with money.

I am not sure I believe a single word that comes out of Palios's mouth, but if that is the case, it makes the decision to keep Adkins all the more incomprehensible.
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I do not disagree with but but how many people would admit to a stranger that they are short of cash?
 
bigmart said:
Well MP told a fan its not down to money so that's not the issue, I think it's highly unlikely any replacement could do a worse job than Adkins.
In a matter of weeks it may well be too late as we could be cut adrift
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well it sounds like we have more chance of a Davison/Saunders hatrick than a new manager.
 
O4anotherplayoff said:
Possibly far fewer than 15 matches given the likely-imminent regime change.

So, for now, let’s bring in proven caretakers like Sheedy, McMahon or Rogers. Or go for one of the current internal candidates, Danns, Parky or Morgan? Maybe redemption time for Dawes (whose apparent disappearance from football altogether since leaving us is slightly concerning), or even Keef! Heck, even Nicko or Ryan Taylor!

Yes, lots of caretakers out there who might do no worse than NA.

Much harder to find one who you’d be confident would produce immediate improvement, AND would be willing to take it on for just a few weeks, AND who’d be worth the cost of a severance, without at least affording him the blessing of the next owners.

But they don’t want to consider the practicalities arising from our somewhat unusual situation.
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I think that you would need one who knows the current Tranmere squad and the division, there's not much time to get up to speed. My thinking is, based on Palios' comments, we have got got Atkins until the end of the season, and if Palios is still in charge for next season too ! Woking away anybody ?
 
Rockford's Love Child said:
Your argument is nonsensical.

You are suggesting a club should never change manager in response to poor performance.

A change of manager is not a guarantee of survival, but an upturn in performance is likely, as has been demonstrated above. On 75% of the occasions Palios has changed manager mid-season performance has improved.

We don't need to appoint Slot or Guardiola on a five year contract. We need somebody to improve form in the very short term. Even a dead-cat-bounce and two or three victories could be sufficient to keep us up.

The current inaction is unforgiveable.
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No I am not and it seems how you have come to that conclusion other than creating a straw man. I think we may go down with this squad with or without the current manager.
What I do row back on is the idea that switching the manager will make us safe as many simplistically believe. You can delude yourself with as many stats as you like, what has happened at Everton and Swindon has not elsewhere. FGR and Carlisle have followed our path from a decade ago and managerial changes I guess there have been a few?
 
mellow submarine said:
I think that you would need one who knows the current Tranmere squad and the division, there's not much time to get up to speed. My thinking is, based on Palios' comments, we have got got Atkins until the end of the season, and if Palios is still in charge for next season too ! Woking away anybody ?
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If Palios is still in charge Woking will be the least of our problems, he is clearly out of time/cash. My money would be on a another relegation. He has proved it costs about a million a year to go nowhere and I am not sure we have underperformed, you need serious capital to keep up with the Joneses
 
dollar'sbloke said:
If Palios is still in charge Woking will be the least of our problems, he is clearly out of time/cash. My money would be on a another relegation. He has proved it costs about a million a year to go nowhere and I am not sure we have underperformed, you need serious capital to keep up with the Joneses
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it would be interesting to see a league table of spend/income by club, is one available ?
 
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Well if MP is to be believed nobody can have spent a much higher percentage than us...
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Well we have had zero transfer and cup money, which will make the ratio poor, but I guess not uniquely. No idea what the regs are or how Carlisle have got around them
 
Should have happened months ago, to give us a reasonable chance of staying up. Why it did not, Palios will have to explain.

At least there is a glimmer of hope now.
 
Thank god for that but you fear its too late some of the players should never put on a club shirt again after this season
 
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Sadly I’m in agreement with AM, probably too late to save the season now. There was no injection of quality in the January window , although Garrett has provided some much-needed energy in midfield and we have yet to find what the arrangements are for the rest of the campaign.
 
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