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dollar'sbloke said:
Not sure what is so confusing, many fans want the ducking schoool approach and Palios thinks we should stick. It seems perfectly clear to me and neither side can prove they are right. If we go down one side will declare victory and vice versa, but we may have gone down or stayed up with a new manager.
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It's simply a demonstration that results have not and will not improve. A lot of us said this months ago, it was obvious to anyone watching the football that we were in trouble. If you continue to do the same thing, you will get the same results, yet Palios decided to stick.

We are now only two points from the drop zone, the worst position we have been in and not a win in sight. We are hopeless away from home so forget picking up any points there and currently we cannot win at home against pretty mediocre sides. Changes should have been made months ago instead of what you believe is a points scoring excercise with 15 games left. It should never have got to this.
 
The frustration for me is that we have a core of attacking players that are good enough to create and score goals and finish (at least) third from bottom if they are used effectively: Patrick, Solomon, Jennings, Hawkes, Morris, Norris. However, as they are deployed by the current manager we have no chance.

If we actually used Patrick and Solomon in their correct positions, closer to the opposition goal, it would be a start.
 
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Form table for the last fifteen games. Look at our performance relative to Morecambe's and Accrington's, prior to the former strengthening in January.

There is absolutely no chance we avoid relegation on the current trajectory.
 

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The last twenty games.

Considering we have a beloved chairman who is a self-professed 'stats expert' and 'driven by data', I would love to know what justification he sees for keeping Adkins in place.
 
Rockford's Love Child said:

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The last twenty games.

Considering we have a beloved chairman who is a self-professed 'stats expert' and 'driven by data', I would love to know what justification he sees for keeping Adkins in place.
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He was clear the data suggests changing managers doesn't work out. You can challenge that if you do the research. Personally I don't know other than the more managers the least success over time. We've had more this century than last
 
dollar'sbloke said:
Go on then
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You only have to look three miles away to see a club that had an immediate upturn in results with the same players after a managerial change.

In our division, see also Barrow, Swindon etc.

It is self-evidently nonsense. If it was not, every club would give its manager a thirty year contract !!
 
Tranmere’s record after 31 games in 2014/15 (resulting in relegation to the national league)

P 31 W 8 D 10 L 13 F 32 A 38 Pts 34 Pos 20th

Tranmere’s record after 31 games in 2024/25:

P 31 W 6 D 10 L 15 F 22 A 49 Pts 28 Pos 22nd
 
If there was no imminent change in ownership I think NA would already be gone and MP would have a few credible interested candidates to choose from.

But a change in ownership is imminent, which makes MP a bit of a lame duck when it comes to attracting and recruiting a replacement, who’d potentially just be an interim for a few weeks anyway. Might be different if we already had a great coach or senior player(s) in the building who could hold the reins, but I don’t believe we do (btw any suggestion that literally anyone would be an improvement on NA is just crass. Nixon, anyone?!)

If, however, there is indeed a credible candidate out there who’s willing and able to do a few weeks’ stint working for MP then it comes down to a trade off between the cost of settling NA’s contract and the likelihood of an immediate uptick in results under the interim guy. In terms of what’s best for the club, you can argue that one either way.

However, and following on from my opening line, I also think it’s highly likely that the new owners will immediately replace NA with their own man, and that they may already have that man lined up.

Put another way, I doubt we’re realistically in a position to appoint a credible new manager without at least the potential new owners’ blessing.
 
Sparky said:
Tranmere’s record after 31 games in 2014/15 (resulting in relegation to the national league)

P 31 W 8 D 10 L 13 F 32 A 38 Pts 34 Pos 20th

Tranmere’s record after 31 games in 2024/25:

P 31 W 6 D 10 L 15 F 22 A 49 Pts 28 Pos 22nd
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And it went downhill from there finishing adrift at the bottom.
History (in my opinion) could and probably will repeat itself.
 
Rockford's Love Child said:
You only have to look three miles away to see a club that had an immediate upturn in results with the same players after a managerial change.

In our division, see also Barrow, Swindon etc.

It is self-evidently nonsense. If it was not, every club would give its manager a thirty year contract !!
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You are seriously cherry picking one example after the fact and citing that as evidence of a trend? I wouldn't use one club as an example but it is the limit of my knowledge and I don't recall a single bounce at TRFC.
Take this division over five or ten years and see how it works out, Mark hinted he had done something like that. I'm guessing FGR, Oldham, Scunny and co left a negative trail in your theory.
Come back when you have something serious
 
Oh come on DB... what on earth is "come back when you have something serious" supposed to mean? RLC gave several real time examples and you say cherry picking! What's he supposed to do cite examples from 60 years ago?
What's concerning is if we follow your argument then it can be summed up as nobody could do better than Adkins is doing. I simply don't believe that you mean that or if you do then I am frankly amazed.
How much better than Adkins we don't know but the fact is we have been very lucky so far that there are two even worse sides than us however over the last 6 games we have the worst record in the division and as we stand Morecambe will easily surpass us if our relative from continues whilst Carlisle seem to be playing better than their recent results have suggested. Doing nothing is the ultimate gamble and there is nothing in Adkins that convinces me we will land it.
 
Sparky said:
Tranmere’s record after 31 games in 2014/15 (resulting in relegation to the national league)

P 31 W 8 D 10 L 13 F 32 A 38 Pts 34 Pos 20th

Tranmere’s record after 31 games in 2024/25:

P 31 W 6 D 10 L 15 F 22 A 49 Pts 28 Pos 22nd
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The stats tell you everything you need to know.
 
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Oh come on DB... what on earth is "come back when you have something serious" supposed to mean? RLC gave several real time examples and you say cherry picking! What's he supposed to do cite examples from 60 years ago?
What's concerning is if we follow your argument then it can be summed up as nobody could do better than Adkins is doing. I simply don't believe that you mean that or if you do then I am frankly amazed.
How much better than Adkins we don't know but the fact is we have been very lucky so far that there are two even worse sides than us however over the last 6 games we have the worst record in the division and as we stand Morecambe will easily surpass us if our relative from continues whilst Carlisle seem to be playing better than their recent results have suggested. Doing nothing is the ultimate gamble and there is nothing in Adkins that convinces me we will land it.
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He took examples of managers that have improved results but ignored the ones in the same timescale that have not. Strikes me that some clubs have an established history of decline and probably have had multiple changes that all failed! I suppose the test is position on arrival against departure, which tends to be within 18 months, I have no idea how to do it but cherry picking convenient outcomes is unconvincing.
What I am saying is there is no guarantee a new manager would improve things or that they won't make matters worse. Many fans exaggerate about solutions and are quite simplistic generally. It could work it might not.
Despite my misgivings about team selections I'm not sure the outcomes bear me out. Fundamentally we defend with about 8 outfield players, the midfield generates very little quality and the attack is mostly a token effort. Reading many comments on social media some fans have wild ideas about the reality.
If Norris, Hendry and Morris play most of the games left, in my opinion, that would positively affect us more than Slot appearing in the dugout.
Hawkes has been downgraded in his use by the last four managers by memory, that is a pattern, I never rated him. Anyone who believes Davison or Saunders can become reliable performers, has a lot more imagination than I. We can hope for a broken watch moment but little else.
Nigel is a failed bounce from Dawes. Mellon failed after a year from Brabin but was allowed to improve afterwards despite our fans wanting him out. It's not as simple as people believe.
 
dollar'sbloke said:
What I am saying is there is no guarantee a new manager would improve things or that they won't make matters worse.
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I understand the logic but let’s be honest, they couldn’t get much worse.

I think the point is if we stick, we are effectively down. If we twist, we might stand a chance. What have we got to lose? Time is now against us.
 
dollar'sbloke said:
You are seriously cherry picking one example after the fact and citing that as evidence of a trend? I wouldn't use one club as an example but it is the limit of my knowledge and I don't recall a single bounce at TRFC.
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Just in recent memory, results improved mid-season when Mellon, Hill and Adkins were appointed.

In the first two instances we made the play-offs, when that had initially seemed unlikely, in the other we avoided relegation.

On every occasion Palios has changed the manager mid-season results have improved, with the exception of the appointment of Dawes.
 
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