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Boz

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Presumably once fit Mumbongo will provide pace up front
Is he fast? Haven’t heard anything either way. The bigger question is how long will he actually take to reach something close to match fitness.
 
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I am not sure pace is essential in a striker at this level. A lot of quick forwards in League Two don't offer much else.

I think more of a priority is somebody who can finish, to take some of the burden away from Hemmings.
 

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Is he fast? Haven’t heard anything either way. The bigger question is how long will he actually take to reach something close to match fitness.
He is supposed to be quite quick, would think it shudnt take too long to get upto full fitness
 

Boz

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I am not sure pace is essential in a striker at this level. A lot of quick forwards in League Two don't offer much else.

I think more of a priority is somebody who can finish, to take some of the burden away from Hemmings.
Pace is an extra asset though. If an attacking player, which could include a no 10 or winger as well as a striker is able to run at a defence, it can make things happen. Also I’d contend that it’s a more valuable asset at this level because the defenders aren’t as fast or positionally aware as their counterparts higher up the league.

While agreeing with the point about a good finisher, the problem with Saturday’s showing was Rovers weren’t creating nearly enough chances, rather than missing a load of them.
 

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Pace is an extra asset though. If an attacking player, which could include a no 10 or winger as well as a striker is able to run at a defence, it can make things happen. Also I’d contend that it’s a more valuable asset at this level because the defenders aren’t as fast or positionally aware as their counterparts higher up the league.

While agreeing with the point about a good finisher, the problem with Saturday’s showing was Rovers weren’t creating nearly enough chances, rather than missing a load of them.
Defo need on striker who can finish, but having pace and energy upfront can be an asset in terms of pressing, giving defenders no rest and winning free kicks.
I did think Jake might have been worth a try as a foil for Hemmings.
Anyway I wish him all the best at Marine and hope he can move back up the pyramid.
 

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If it is a permanent I hope we have negotiated a chunky sell on fee just in case he does a Stockton! Going to a level one above the level Nevitt was when he joined us to put it into context. Personally I would be happier if it was a loan as he seemed to have had a good pre-season and with a well taken goal against Fleetwood.
 
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Pace is an extra asset though. If an attacking player, which could include a no 10 or winger as well as a striker is able to run at a defence, it can make things happen. Also I’d contend that it’s a more valuable asset at this level because the defenders aren’t as fast or positionally aware as their counterparts higher up the league.

While agreeing with the point about a good finisher, the problem with Saturday’s showing was Rovers weren’t creating nearly enough chances, rather than missing a load of them.
My concern would be that a pacey striker with a poor goalscoring record might create more chances for Hemmings, but if Hemmings gets injured we are screwed, because there is nobody to provide the goals we would lose in his absence.

I think the bigger priority is a striker that can provide additional goals, rather than leaving us solely reliant on Kane. Of course, it would be great to sign a lightning fast striker that scores twenty goals per season, but the number of those players at League Two level is nil.

With regard to pace more broadly, neither Hemmings or Glatzel are particularly quick, but they would be a superb strike partnership at this level because of their football intelligence. Pace is not everything.
 

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As RLC says if Hemmings gets injured we’re in big trouble. Look what happened when Vaughan got injured.

Some interesting points about what attributes league two players need. Even though it hurt I couldn’t help myself and read some of the Walsall forums after their win on Saturday. Only one game but raving about Clarke’s leadership and ability to snuff out the danger and how they are prerequisites for league two success.
 

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Derby have signed an Everton striker on loan for the season so will be sending Jack stretton out, likely to a league two club. Conor Wickham which some rumours mentioned signs for FGR
 
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this loaning out of players is a farce if has been reported the everton player goes to derby who in turn could send stretton to us who then send burton to marine farcical
 

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this loaning out of players is a farce if has been reported the everton player goes to derby who in turn could send stretton to us who then send burton to marine farcical
An unfortunate result of the Academy structure and its funding in this country. The majority of young professionals are scooped up by the large academies resulting in loans down the pyramid - some eventually find their level. There used to be a lot more even spread of young talent leading to moves up the pyramid (and cash to lower league teams). As a result the best coaches end up at the academies and so it perpetuates. In terms of progression on the pitch (excluding the impact of billionaires) it really does enforce the status quo and reduce upward/downward mobility by things that used to matter. I don't think it does the young players any good either. It is an achievement to be playing as a pro in, say, EFL1 but does it feel like it after you have been sold the dream in an EPL academy and then dropped to "your" level? In the past the same player may have started at EFL2 and progressed to EFL1, a tangible achievement and progression. It is no wonder a lot of young ex-academy players "struggle".

The benefit will probably be argued in respect of the improved quality of the national under age teams. However, this does not warrant the vast pools of players that the academies recruit; they could be far more selective with the same results.

There are a number of things that have changed football for the worse over the years and the factory fishing of young talent is one of them.
 

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this loaning out of players is a farce if has been reported the everton player goes to derby who in turn could send stretton to us who then send burton to marine farcical

Surely it’s all about giving young players experience of regular minutes instead of just training at their parent club? Then they’ll hopefully come back more experienced and capable of getting a place in their parent clubs starting eleven. Look at the likes of Ben Gibson who did well with us and had a good career since. The players must go to an appropriate level and some clubs will only let them go if they have a suitable replacement hence why it has a bit of a domino effect
 
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An unfortunate result of the Academy structure and its funding in this country. The majority of young professionals are scooped up by the large academies resulting in loans down the pyramid - some eventually find their level. There used to be a lot more even spread of young talent leading to moves up the pyramid (and cash to lower league teams). As a result the best coaches end up at the academies and so it perpetuates. In terms of progression on the pitch (excluding the impact of billionaires) it really does enforce the status quo and reduce upward/downward mobility by things that used to matter. I don't think it does the young players any good either. It is an achievement to be playing as a pro in, say, EFL1 but does it feel like it after you have been sold the dream in an EPL academy and then dropped to "your" level? In the past the same player may have started at EFL2 and progressed to EFL1, a tangible achievement and progression. It is no wonder a lot of young ex-academy players "struggle".

The benefit will probably be argued in respect of the improved quality of the national under age teams. However, this does not warrant the vast pools of players that the academies recruit; they could be far more selective with the same results.

There are a number of things that have changed football for the worse over the years and the factory fishing of young talent is one of them.
An excellent analysis. You win my award for Post of the Week. ;)
 
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The EPP system is fundamentally flawed and damages lower division clubs.

However, given that it exists and there is nothing we can do to change it, it makes sense for us to take players loaned or released by higher level clubs and develop them, rather than attempting to develop players internally, when our talent pool is severely restricted and the vast majority will never be good enough for the level we are competing at.
 
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must admit lads some excellent replies to my post but to me it,s all just a bit of a merry-go-round.
 

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Burton will never play for Rovers, in the long run, he will be better off away from the club, and getting his career moving and simply just getting away will do him the world of good we will see more of Taylor if what I have been told is right they rate him high up but we wait and see
 

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Burton will never play for Rovers, in the long run, he will be better off away from the club, and getting his career moving and simply just getting away will do him the world of good we will see more of Taylor if what I have been told is right they rate him high up but we wait and see
Agree that Burton needs to be playing to gain experience but find it odd we didn't have him on the bench last Saturday or this as at least it gives an option to bring him on for a bit of time
 
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