TheBunnyBellEnd
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I went Saturday and it really was THAT BAD. First half we just stood off Millwall and let them run riot, they actually didnt play that well, it was just that we were abysmal. The goals we conceded were so poor and the players particularly at the back and in midfield didnt look like they were bothered they didnt challenge and left Daniels horribly exposed, that is not to say he should not shoulder some of the blame also. Goodison am afraid was totally uninterested and jogged around the pitch contributing very little. All in all an absolute horror show.
Barnes and Mcateer cannot continue on like this when does a situation become untenable? I believe certain players did not even travel home on the team coach rather they bummed lifts off supporters so they could get home faster. This to me just sums up the lack of team spirit and the lack of direction from the management team, they should have been made to get on the supporters coach and sit with the supporters they so badly let down! As for Mcateer what a petulant imbecile sent from the dugout for giving home supporters the finger. What summed it up for me was the queue of travelling fans waiting to be let out of the ground at half time. I left after 65 minutes and there were Millwall fans leaving also complaining they had come to see a game of football and that was not what they had seen! We are an absolute joke and the blame for this is not simply down to John Barnes it is down to everyone involved with the club. Here is the order of blame as I see it:
1/ PJ: He was the one who made the initial decision to replace an experienced manager with an inept one. He is also responsible for slashing an already tight wage budget with an even smaller one. He is also responsible for not doing something about the current situation sooner, or at least trying to address the supporters worries. In doing what he has done he has managed to alienate the club from its supporters and has made supporters feel completely undervalued.
2/ The management team: What can be said that has not been said before. Barnes although seemingly a reasonable fella comes across as very stubborn. The squad he has assembled is inbalanced and he has signed players that simply are not fit enough to play. e.g Bain, Ricketts, Broomes, Carole. Surely when you have a tight budget you need all of your players immediately fit and ready to play? Tactically he is playing a system that does not work with the players he has assembled and is reluctant to change this. he has no idea about how to make a team defend and as a result we have the WORST goal difference in the entire football league. Steve Claridge mentioned the other week Barnes needed to travel the length and breadth of the country in order to understand the league and the players. What did Barnes do the following week? He was in the echo and the post in a high vis jacket brushing up the streets of Liverpool. He seems to be unable to motivate the players and numerous stories have come out of the club about players walking out and training ground bust ups, the most recent involving Curran and Bain. He appears to have amazing powers of telepathy because he must communicate with Mcateer somehow but never seems to talk to him during the game. Quite simply a manager who does not know how to manage.
3/ The Players: They cannot be without blame also. They signed contracts with this football club to play football. Their contract was agreed as was the wages before they put pen to paper, so complaining about wages etc simply doesnt wash with me. Many of the senior players do not look bothered and although they may not want to play for the manager they SHOULD want to play for the supporters. In short they couldnt care less about the supporters, this was obvious by the way some of the players conducted themselves at the training day, they simply did not want to be there. Many of the summer signings have not put consistent good performances and some of the players who were here last year are a shadow of their former selves. Ultimately in the situation we find ourselves it is the players who should be battling their hearts out on the pitch and simply put their not. Again I will quote Steve Claridge on saturday night, when he said the players were not putting any effort in.
4/ The Supporters:There is blame on us for not doing anything about the current fiasco. As I see it there is 3 camps at the moment,
a/ Those who dont want to do anything: For reasons such as it will hurt the club, it wont make any difference what we do, its pointless. And these people seem to take great pride in shooting down those people who want to do something resulting to name calling and questioning peoples intelligence. They only want to support the team, and there is nowt wrong with that, however I fail to see how you can support a team that dont give a toss about you.
b/ The stay away supporters: Those who wont go whilst Barnes is in charge, or want to hurt PJ in his pocket. Again its peoples entitlement to stay away and not spend their hard earned money watching rubbish. However it is exactly these supporters that are contributing to the problem of falling wage budgets. As attendences have fallen so has the wage structure of the club. Also by staying away you take your voice away from the ground. By sitting on your PC and moaning about what goes on you are not getting your point over to the club, it would be better to actually go to the game and let them hear you. But as I say its understandable especially in hard times financially that this is an option many people will take.
c/ Those who want to do something: But ultimately do nothing. (I am in this camp) We talk all week about doing this and that but when it comes to the crunch we have no backbone and we do nothing. Either we get put off by those who wish to do nothing, or we decide a draw is good enough and go home happy, or because the police tell us to move we all toddle off home with our tails between our legs.
The problems at the club are much more deep rooted than simply getting rid of the manager. There are problems at every level. We as supporters cannot physically make change, however we are entitled to voice our opinions however pointless people may think it is. If the supporters dont attend or are not together than we will never do anything. Am sure there will be people on here that disagree with some of things I have said and it is not a knee jerk reaction to the result on the weekend hence why I have left it till tuesday before posting.
Barnes and Mcateer cannot continue on like this when does a situation become untenable? I believe certain players did not even travel home on the team coach rather they bummed lifts off supporters so they could get home faster. This to me just sums up the lack of team spirit and the lack of direction from the management team, they should have been made to get on the supporters coach and sit with the supporters they so badly let down! As for Mcateer what a petulant imbecile sent from the dugout for giving home supporters the finger. What summed it up for me was the queue of travelling fans waiting to be let out of the ground at half time. I left after 65 minutes and there were Millwall fans leaving also complaining they had come to see a game of football and that was not what they had seen! We are an absolute joke and the blame for this is not simply down to John Barnes it is down to everyone involved with the club. Here is the order of blame as I see it:
1/ PJ: He was the one who made the initial decision to replace an experienced manager with an inept one. He is also responsible for slashing an already tight wage budget with an even smaller one. He is also responsible for not doing something about the current situation sooner, or at least trying to address the supporters worries. In doing what he has done he has managed to alienate the club from its supporters and has made supporters feel completely undervalued.
2/ The management team: What can be said that has not been said before. Barnes although seemingly a reasonable fella comes across as very stubborn. The squad he has assembled is inbalanced and he has signed players that simply are not fit enough to play. e.g Bain, Ricketts, Broomes, Carole. Surely when you have a tight budget you need all of your players immediately fit and ready to play? Tactically he is playing a system that does not work with the players he has assembled and is reluctant to change this. he has no idea about how to make a team defend and as a result we have the WORST goal difference in the entire football league. Steve Claridge mentioned the other week Barnes needed to travel the length and breadth of the country in order to understand the league and the players. What did Barnes do the following week? He was in the echo and the post in a high vis jacket brushing up the streets of Liverpool. He seems to be unable to motivate the players and numerous stories have come out of the club about players walking out and training ground bust ups, the most recent involving Curran and Bain. He appears to have amazing powers of telepathy because he must communicate with Mcateer somehow but never seems to talk to him during the game. Quite simply a manager who does not know how to manage.
3/ The Players: They cannot be without blame also. They signed contracts with this football club to play football. Their contract was agreed as was the wages before they put pen to paper, so complaining about wages etc simply doesnt wash with me. Many of the senior players do not look bothered and although they may not want to play for the manager they SHOULD want to play for the supporters. In short they couldnt care less about the supporters, this was obvious by the way some of the players conducted themselves at the training day, they simply did not want to be there. Many of the summer signings have not put consistent good performances and some of the players who were here last year are a shadow of their former selves. Ultimately in the situation we find ourselves it is the players who should be battling their hearts out on the pitch and simply put their not. Again I will quote Steve Claridge on saturday night, when he said the players were not putting any effort in.
4/ The Supporters:There is blame on us for not doing anything about the current fiasco. As I see it there is 3 camps at the moment,
a/ Those who dont want to do anything: For reasons such as it will hurt the club, it wont make any difference what we do, its pointless. And these people seem to take great pride in shooting down those people who want to do something resulting to name calling and questioning peoples intelligence. They only want to support the team, and there is nowt wrong with that, however I fail to see how you can support a team that dont give a toss about you.
b/ The stay away supporters: Those who wont go whilst Barnes is in charge, or want to hurt PJ in his pocket. Again its peoples entitlement to stay away and not spend their hard earned money watching rubbish. However it is exactly these supporters that are contributing to the problem of falling wage budgets. As attendences have fallen so has the wage structure of the club. Also by staying away you take your voice away from the ground. By sitting on your PC and moaning about what goes on you are not getting your point over to the club, it would be better to actually go to the game and let them hear you. But as I say its understandable especially in hard times financially that this is an option many people will take.
c/ Those who want to do something: But ultimately do nothing. (I am in this camp) We talk all week about doing this and that but when it comes to the crunch we have no backbone and we do nothing. Either we get put off by those who wish to do nothing, or we decide a draw is good enough and go home happy, or because the police tell us to move we all toddle off home with our tails between our legs.
The problems at the club are much more deep rooted than simply getting rid of the manager. There are problems at every level. We as supporters cannot physically make change, however we are entitled to voice our opinions however pointless people may think it is. If the supporters dont attend or are not together than we will never do anything. Am sure there will be people on here that disagree with some of things I have said and it is not a knee jerk reaction to the result on the weekend hence why I have left it till tuesday before posting.
